ਵਰਤੋਂਕਾਰ ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ:Itar buttar/Archive 4

Give your views

Please give your views on Use of 1,2,3.. required instead of ੧,੨,੩,... --Satdeep gill (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੦੯:੪੪, ੧੬ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

ਸਾਹਿਤ ਦੇ ਰੂਪ

ਮੈਂ ਦੇਖਿਆ ਕੇ ਇਕ ਸਫੇ ਵਿੱਚ ਤੁਸੀਂ ਸਾਹਿਤ ਦੇ ਰੂਪ ਦੀ ਜਗ੍ਹਾ ਉੱਤੇ ਉਸਨੂੰ ਸਾਹਿਤ ਦੀਆਂ ਕਿਸਮਾਂ ਕਰ ਦਿੱਤਾ। ਮੈਂ ਗੁਜਾਰਿਸ਼ ਕਰਦਾ ਹਾਂ ਕਿ ਉਸਨੂੰ ਸਾਹਿਤ ਦੀਆਂ ਕਿਸਮਾਂ ਦੀ ਥਾਂ ਸਾਹਿਤ ਦੇ ਰੂਪ ਕਰ ਦਿੱਤਾ ਜਾਵੇ ਕਿਉਂਕਿ ਸਾਹਿਤ ਦੇ ਰੂਪ ਪੰਜਾਬੀ ਵਿੱਚ ਵਧੇਰੇ ਪ੍ਰਚੱਲਿਤ ਹੈ। ਵਧੇਰੇ ਜਾਣਕਾਰੀ ਲਈ ਰਤਨ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੱਗੀ ਦੀ ਕਿਤਾਬ ਸਾਹਿਤ ਦੇ ਰੂਪ, ਪਬਲੀਕੇਸ਼ਨ ਬਿਊਰੋ, ਪੰਜਾਬੀ ਯੂਨੀਵਰਸਿਟੀ ਪਟਿਆਲਾ ਦੇਖੋ। ISBN 81-7380-484-2. --Satdeep gill (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੦੭:੦੯, ੧੮ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

ਹਾਲਾਂਕਿ ਮੈਂ ਤੁਹਾਡੇ ਨਾਲ ਸਹਿਮਤ ਹਾਂ ਪਰ ਇਹ ਮੈਂ ਦੇਣਾ ਚਾਹੁੰਦਾ ਹਾਂ ਕਿ ਪਹਿਲਾਂ ਮੈਂ "ਕਿਸਮਾਂ" ਵਰਤਿਆ ਸੀ ਫਿਰ "ਰੂਪ" ਕਰ ਦਿੱਤਾ ਅਤੇ ਫਿਰ "ਕਿਸਮਾਂ" ਕਰ ਦਿੱਤਾ ਅਤੇ ਮੈਂ ਇਹ ਕਿਤੋਂ ਨਕਲ ਨਹੀਂ ਕੀਤੀ, ਆਪਣੇ ਖ਼ਿਆਲ ਮੁਤਾਬਕ ਹੀ ਪਹਿਲਾਂ "ਰੂਪ" ਵਰਤਿਆ ਫਿਰ ਮੈਨੂੰ ਲੱਗਿਆ ਕਿ ਕਿਸਮਾਂ ਜ਼ਿਆਦਾ ਏਰੀਆ ਕਵਰ ਕਰੇਗਾ ਸੋ ਮੈਂ ਇਹ ਵਰਤ ਦਿੱਤਾ। ਤੁਸੀਂ ਅਜ਼ਾਦ ਮਹਿਸੂਸ ਕਰਦੇ ਹੋਏ ਇਸਨੂੰ ਠੀਕ ਕਰ ਸਕਦੇ ਓ ਪਰ ਮੇਰੇ ਵਿਚਾਰ ਵੱਲ ਵੀ ਖ਼ਿਆਲ ਕਰਿਓ। ਇਹ ਤੁਹਾਡੀ ਸਿਫ਼ਤ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਤੁਸੀਂ ਵਿਚਾਰਾਂ ਦੇ ਕਿਸੇ ਟਕਰਾਅ ਦੀ ਸੂਰਤ ਵਿਚ ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ ਕਰਨ ਨੂੰ ਪਹਿਲ ਦਿੰਦੇ ਓ, revert ਦੀ ਲੜੀ ਨਹੀਂ ਤੋਰਦੇ। :-) ਧੰਨਵਾਦ, ਸਤਿ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਅਕਾਲ! --itar buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੦੮:੧੦, ੧੮ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

ਪੈਰੀਂ ਬਿੰਦੀ ਬਾਰੇ

ਤੁਸੀਂ ਲਗਪਗ ਹਰੇਕ ਫ ਦੇ ਪੈਰ ਬਿੰਦੀ ਲਾ ਕੇ ਪੰਜਾਬੀ ਨੂੰ ਜਟਿਲ ਨਾ ਬਣਾਉ। ਪੈਰ ਬਿੰਦੀ ਵਾਲੀਆਂ ਸੋਧਾਂ ਤੋਂ ਗੁਰੇਜ਼ ਕਰੋ ਕਿਉਂਕਿ ਇਹ ਢੁਕਵੇਂ ਭਾਸ਼ਾ ਵਿਗਿਆਨੀਆਂ ਨਾਲ ਚਰਚਾ ਕਰਕੇ ਨਜਿਠਣ ਦੀ ਲੋੜ ਹੈ।--Charan Gill (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੦੧:੫੮, ੨੧ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

ਸਤਿ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਅਕਾਲ ਜੀ! ਤੁਸੀਂ ਫ਼ਿਕਰ ਨਾ ਕਰੋ ਮੈਨੂੰ ਇਸਦੀ ਸਮਝ ਹੈ ਮੈਂ ਬੇਲੋੜੀਆਂ ਨਹੀਂ ਲਾਉਂਦਾ। ਇਹ ਬਿੰਦੀ ਪਾਠ ਮੁਤਾਬਕ ਹੁੰਦੀ ਹੈ, F ਅਤੇ Ph ਦਾ ਪਾਠ ਤੁਸੀਂ ਜਾਣਦੇ ਹੀ ਹੋਵੋਗੇ ਜਾਂ ਫਿਰ ਫ ਅਤੇ ਫ਼ ਦਾ। "ਫ" ਦਾ ਪਾਠ ਦੋਵੇਂ ਬੁੱਲ ਜੋੜ ਕੇ ਹੈ ਅਤੇ "ਫ਼" ਦਾ ਬਿਨਾਂ ਜੋੜੇ ਜਿਵੇਂ ਕਿ ਫ਼ੁੱਲ (full) ਅਤੇ ਫੁੱਲ (flower)। ਬਾਕੀ ਮੈਂ ਤਾਂ ਮੌਜੂਦਾ ਸ਼੍ਰੇਣੀ ਨੂੰ ਲਿੰਕ ਕੀਤਾ ਸੀ। --itar buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੦੮:੫੧, ੨੧ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Don't use so many Bindis here please, it is wrong and unnecessary. You do not understand that you can not just make up your own way of spelling things here, you will have to follow the EASTERN Punjabi speaking world, not the Western. §§VibhasKS_ਚਰਚਾ ੧੨:੩੭, ੨੨ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Work together

Can we please work together and be friend TariButtar Ji --ਰਾਜੇਂਦਰਾ ਸਿੰਘ (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੧੪:੪੭, ੨੧ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Of course, why not!; lets start from a new end, forgetting the past. --itar buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੦੨:੨੪, ੨੨ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Thanks you TariButtar Ji! --ਰਾਜੇਂਦਰਾ ਸਿੰਘ (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੦੮:੫੦, ੨੨ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Why you not work together no more?? --ਰਾਜੇਂਦਰਾ ਸਿੰਘ (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੧੫:੪੮, ੨੫ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Look how and what he has said to me ਰਾਜੇਂਦਰਾ ਸਿੰਘ, look how he disapproves of the correct words! --Zarienah ^{ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ • ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} ੧੫:੫੦, ੨੫ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

i'm giving you sources even reliable and you call is disapprove. Tell me why use an other word over a Punjabi one? Why other when the Punjabi one existing? --itar buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੧੬:੦੧, ੨੫ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Tari Ji :-) I am say in 100% good faith but we know that the word is Punjabi. Same reason why Hindi is use एक मुक्त ज्ञानकोश and not आज़ाद --ਰਾਜੇਂਦਰਾ ਸਿੰਘ (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੧੬:੦੪, ੨੫ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

how can Hindi wiki use ਅਜ਼ਾਦ if they've their own? How Punjabi wiki use when it has it's own? And note it's not ਆਜ਼ਾਦ it's ਅਜ਼ਾਦ. Why you denie reliable sources following Hindi wiki. Do we now have to copy another language wiki for words too, suffocating our Punjabi ones? I'm just supporting to write Punjabi wikipedia in Punjabi and in 101% good faith but users taking it wrong. --itar buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੧੬:੧੯, ੨੫ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Check

Please check and correct ਫਰਮਾ:ਗਿਆਨਸੰਦੂਕ ਧੁਨੀ ਯੰਤਰ (infobox musical instrument), but please just correct it on the documentation as previously your device has very little editing space so in this case just edit the documentation, I will correct them on the template to the corrections you make in the documentation. I know good Punjabi is good for templates but as equal is the appearance. If your device allows you to edit the template then please rectify the mistakes there, but without breaking the layout and appearance of the template. Thanks! --Zarienah ^{ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ • ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} ੧੦:੧੨, ੨੨ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

I would like to say here that the correct title is/'ll be ਸੰਗੀਤਕ ਸਾਜ਼ or simply ਸਾਜ਼. --itar buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੧੦:੧੭, ੨੨ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Please change it in the documentation and then I'll make all the changes and moves. :) --Zarienah ^{ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ • ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} ੧੦:੧੮, ੨੨ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Please look

Sat Sri Akaal! Please see what I said „here“ and also thanks a million for translating!!! --Zarienah ^{ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ • ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} ੧੫:੪੪, ੨੨ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Thanks you noticed the translation I did, regardless the removal of interwikis. I told you the reason before why they got removed. And as of that suggestion I agree with you but what you gonna name the village pump in Punjabi? --itar buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੧੫:੫੨, ੨੨ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

How could I not notice your translation? It's wonderful! --Zarienah ^{ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ • ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} ੧੫:੫੮, ੨੨ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Thanks for encouraging and one more thing, plz check my version (sorry removed interwikis) and Vibhas's changes to it, I think I used the brackets more wisely and correctly. If you agree plz restore to my version. --itar buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੧੬:੧੬, ੨੨ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

I think the brackets are wrong, maybe we should not put them there? What do you think? --Zarienah ^{ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ • ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} ੧੬:੨੩, ੨੨ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

If you can also please answer my question on my talk page :) --Zarienah ^{ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ • ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} ੧੬:੨੮, ੨੨ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

I'll be there. And as of that translation, It'll got confused without them (brackets), I think. Removing them 'll make it long too bcz we have to add more words to explain it better. But it just what I'm thinking at the time, give your ideas, too! --itar buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੧੬:੩੩, ੨੨ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Article

Thanks you for creating stub articles even if your browser has less letter to fit. Thanks you. --ਰਾਜੇਂਦਰਾ ਸਿੰਘ (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੧੭:੧੧, ੨੩ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Thanks for the encouraging comment. Mostly, I don't let my article a stub. I'm working on the stubs I started, they'll soon be developed. Thanks again and Happy editing. :-) --itar buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੧੭:੨੨, ੨੩ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Same for you :-) --ਰਾਜੇਂਦਰਾ ਸਿੰਘ (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੧੭:੨੮, ੨੩ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Problem

I think you should now rejoin the discussion at this bug as clearly we now have a consensus for these people to fix it, I do not understand how they are not examining properly and not fixing the Bugs! --Zarienah ^{ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ • ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} ੦੮:੧੫, ੨੪ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

yeah, on it. Thanks for reminding. :-) --itar buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੦੮:੩੬, ੨੪ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

What do you think is supposed to happen with the lohit Punjabi bug? --Zarienah ^{ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ • ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} ੧੦:੦੬, ੨੪ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Help Stopping

Please save this Punjabi language Wikipedia TariButtar Ji, Zarienah and Babanwalia are destroying our peace and atmosphere with all so much of rude words and so much of bad wars in the histories. PLease help to restore our Punjabi Language Wikipedia. --ਰਾਜੇਂਦਰਾ ਸਿੰਘ (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੦੮:੨੭, ੨੪ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

I'm confused about the title you used! :-( --itar buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੦੮:੩੬, ੨੪ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

I think I change it right now. --ਰਾਜੇਂਦਰਾ ਸਿੰਘ (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੦੮:੩੯, ੨੪ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

I'm always trying and please you help me too. Hope for the best. --itar buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੦੮:੪੫, ੨੪ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Tari Ji, the other day, me, you, all of us were do edit so nicly, peaceful and happy, but now Babanwalia and Zarienah are warring and stop our Punjabi Language Wikipedia from growing. They not even come for proper discussion and Babanwalia only spreading hate and ignore our community. Zarienah want to make sure rule is followed but she also break at exactly same time by war with Babanwalia. Why Babanwalia also make his new rule and not even listen to the peoples? Even in English Wikipedia when I was remove picture from article the people explain nicely to me not to warring and to make consnsous and I really agree with them. But here why Babanwalia don't want to listan?? Please help stop Tari Ji so we can have good place for all to be working happy and together like how we did the other day. --ਰਾਜੇਂਦਰਾ ਸਿੰਘ (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੦੯:੦੦, ੨੪ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

ਕੀ ਸਬਦ ਸਹੀ?

Isn't ਫ਼ਰਮਾ supposed to have a Bindi? --Zarienah ^{ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ • ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} ੧੦:੨੪, ੨੪ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

ਬਿਲਕੁਲ ਨਹੀਂ/of course not, there'll be no bindi meaning but to make it meaning "please say" the bindi is needed. And I'll like to ask you to check the university's dictionary for ਫਰਮਾ and ਸਾਂਚਾ as you take it to be reliable and I hope you'll not back off that now. --itar buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੧੦:੩੪, ੨੪ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

You are telling everybody to fix their attitude and now you are telling me to back off? According to the dictionary ਫਰਮਾ is "imperative form as ਫਰਮਾਉਣਾ, please say; same as ਫ਼ਰਮਾ" and there is nothing for ਸਾਂਚਾ and nothing for "Template". So clearly ਫਰਮਾ has got nothing to do with template. But since you told me to back off the subject I won't pay heed to what you said because I found you also using ਸਾਂਚਾ and ਨਮੂਨਾ before, so maybe you are also confused --Zarienah ^{ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ • ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} ੧੧:੦੫, ੨੪ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

ਸਾਂਚਾ is better than ਫਰਮਾ, and better than ਸਾਂਚਾ and I think we will all agree is ਟੇਮਪਲੈਟ. We must change it to ਟੇਮਪਲੈਟ. Hopes you all do agree. --ਰਾਜੇਂਦਰਾ ਸਿੰਘ (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੧੧:੦੭, ੨੪ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Zarienah, I asked "not to back off" not "to back off", please don't be angry. Yes I was using the words before: when I came to this wiki it was using ਨਮੂਨਾ and then it was changed to ਸਾਂਚਾ. I, at that time didn't know that they can be corrected even. The wiki was very new to me in such cases, so continue using them and later, Guglani proposed and changed them to ਫਰਮਾ which disturbed me at first but later I happily accepted when I examined. He also used ਵਰਤੋਂਕਾਰ (unfortunatly he spelled it wrong as ਵਰਤੌਂਕਾਰ that's still exiting) for 'user' which I think is perfect till now as use = ਵਰਤੋਂ. And I must say you got fix with the first result that is spelled wrong, it's ਫ਼ਰਮਾਉ actually which is an Urdu word. Was the dictionary not saying what I'm doing. Try to understand you got confused bcz of that Urdu word otherwise ਫਰਮਾ in Punjabi has only one meaning; it just closely match with the Urdu word meaning a different thing. And it has no result for ਸਾਂਚਾ and still you not understand of it's use in Punjabi etc.. --itar buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੧੧:੨੪, ੨੪ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

It still does not show ਫਰਮਾ having anything to do with template, and when I was new here Users were members (ਮੈਂਬਰ) which I think it still should be on this small wiki, ਸਾਂਚਾ I would believe is a better choice than Pharma, but then coming to ਰਾਜੇਂਦਰਾ ਸਿੰਘ said ਟੇਮਪਲੈਟ which could also work. --Zarienah ^{ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ • ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} ੧੧:੩੪, ੨੪ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

it's ਟੈਮਪਲੇਟ, actually ਟੈੱਮਪਲੇਟ, according to the pronunciation. But why use the english while we have Punjabi and sorry, I now learned that only theory not works, practical matters a lot that's why you're taking it to be not good. Actually, I'm discussing with a person who never seen things the discussion is about. And do a small wiki should/can't have best suiting terms? How uniquely you say sometimes. --itar buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੧੧:੫੮, ੨੪ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Tari Ji let us rather make it ਟੈੱਮਪਲੇਟ --ਰਾਜੇਂਦਰਾ ਸਿੰਘ (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੧੨:੦੬, ੨੪ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

ਤੁਸੀਂ ਮੁਇਆਂ ਸਾਰ ਨਾ ਕਾਈ ਨੂੰ ਮੋਇਆਂ ਸਾਰ ਨਾ ਕਾਈ ਕਰ ਦਿੱਤਾ ਹੈ। ਬੇਨਤੀ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਤੁਸੀਂ ਏਨੀ ਕਾਹਲੀ ਨਾ ਕਰਿਆ ਕਰੋ। ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਵਿੱਚੋਂ ਲਈਆਂ ਤੁਕਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਜਦੋਂ ਕੋਈ ਲੇਖਕ ਸਿਰਲੇਖ ਬਣਾਉਂਦਾ ਹੈ ਤਾਂ ਉਹ ਉਸ ਸਮੇਂ ਵਾਲੇ ਹਿੱਜੇ ਹੀ ਵਰਤਦਾ ਹੈ।--Charan Gill (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੦੧:੩੬, ੨੫ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

ਕਰ ’ਤਾ ਜੀ ਓਵੇਂ। ਵੇਸੈ ਤੁਸੀਂ ਖ਼ੁਦ ਵੀ ਬੇ-ਝਿਜਕ ਸਿਰਲੇਖ ਬਦਲ ਸਕਦੇ ਓ, "ਭੇਜੋ" ਬਟਨ ’ਤੇ ਕਲਿੱਕ ਕਰਕੇ। --itar buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੦੨:੧੫, ੨੫ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

DISGUSTING, THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE

May I ask if you have a PHD or some qualification in Punjabi, and maybe could I ask if you are an Indian punjabi because this disgusting behaviour I have seen you having is not the way we welcome people to learn our language. What you are doing goes beyond a pig or a dog. It's just simply the most disgusting thing I've ever seen. ਬਿੱਲੀ (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ)

I'm an Indian Punjabi, wanna meet me? I can give my address. By the way wiki is for everyone if this is for only Indian Punjabis many might got out. And request you to repair you tone and check how polite you are to accuse others. You're boasting to be an Indian Punjabi and check how rudely insulting people here. I can use the same words for you or I have something better and know the method of using Capital letters but that's not my style I just wanna the language to be pure but you just everytime use bad words and insulting me. Stop this! --itar buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੧੧:੧੫, ੨੫ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

What's happening, Itar buttar?--Frigotoni ...i'm here; ੧੧:੨੦, ੨੫ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

he is pretending to be this professor of the punjabi language behind the computer screen and telling people who want to learn to stop and (I can't even describe how disgusting it is), maybe he is an Indian punjabi but plz do not speak out for us, nobody elected him as our leader and he would be the last person I would elect ਬਿੱਲੀ (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੧੧:੨੩, ੨੫ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

please see his edit summaries aimed at me and what he said "I must improve my punjabi before making such edits" now he is saying that wiki is for everyone but yet he is just told me to go away? You knows how much work and time I've put here and this is how TariButtar treats me. --Zarienah ^{ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ • ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} ੧੧:੨੭, ੨੫ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

I would think that everyone would do well to take a breath before making more comment, and remember what is the purpose of the wikis. There is quite a legitimate capability to have different view points, and the means to address these is on the talk pages for the articles, and then to work out how to progress with one entry or more than one. To be authoritative you need authoritive sources, not opinions. Chill! and enjoy your time on site, and allow for differences. Billinghurst (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੧੧:੩੯, ੨੫ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

I completely agree with what Billinghurst says. --ਅਮੀਰ ਏਲਿਸ਼ਾ ਅਹਰੋਨਿ / Amir E. Aharoni (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੧੨:੨੧, ੨੫ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

he inserted misleading comments on my talk page as If I act like I have a PHD in the language but all I did was restore revisions that other native speakers created and that I agree with them more than I agree with Itar buttar? He tells me that I always deny people's views but I always tried to save everybody's valuable contributions here, and now he is denying me my view to support what other native speakers think, if I came and challenged the word in here it would be a different story but all I did was restore it after Itar buttar removed it because I agree with the various users that inserted it. --Zarienah ^{ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ • ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} ੧੩:੧੧, ੨੫ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

I understand exactly what you are saying, and my request was making no accusations, and asking for everyone's cooperation. If people are unwilling to be cooperative, then global sysops and stewards will need to intervene. For those who are more cooperative, and listen, and more willing to work to regain equilibrium are less likely to suffer consequences. Billinghurst (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੧੫:੫੯, ੨੫ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Thank you, I'm defiantly willing to cooperate, but please do not let this user get his dominance here. It's not right. --Zarienah ^{ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ • ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} ੧੬:੦੨, ੨੫ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

not got you much @Billinghurts! --itar buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੧੬:੦੬, ੨੫ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Your language expertise

Hi,

I see that some people are complaining that you are engaging in "language activism" and writing things in a way that seems wrong to them. I don't know your language, so I don't know whether they are right or wrong. However, just out of curiosity I wanted to know: On what are you basing your language knowledge? Did you receive higher education in Punjabi? Are you using dictionaries or grammar books to decide how to write words?

Thanks! --ਅਮੀਰ ਏਲਿਸ਼ਾ ਅਹਰੋਨਿ / Amir E. Aharoni (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੧੨:੨੦, ੨੫ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

welcome back here, Amir! Wanna tell you thatI don't need a dictionary; just used the references to a dictionary to show a thing to who don't know. And plz tell me how much higher degree is needed to make your point in a solid way? And what degree they have to accuse me? There degree level was, anyway, clear to me when they denied characters with a dot at the bottom. But even I agreed loosely to continue them using characters without the dot as they don't know what and why it is but they crossed limits using other language words and tried(ing) to fit them in Punjabi. I'm not against any language by heart. All I support is the purity of a language be it Hindi, Punjabi or any other. Actually, I'm very found of learning new languages. But check how cleverly they stretched the matter to religions and calling me a racist and also that I hate Hindus and Hindi; just cleverly so that they can show this to authorities that "many times this users is called a **** and **** please don't listen to him, he's a ****". I've been insulted by such users many times but none came out asking them to repair their tone and attitude and choose words wisely and more but unfortunatly they taught me a lot to act their way, sometimes. But now you're here, I've no worry as I've no objection on authorities neutrality bcz they've been given the authority for some reason atleast! :-) please examine yourself, don't rely on one's links provided to you or misguides as wiki does an other best thing recording history. And don't worry as most of the talk is in English. :-) --itar buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੧੩:੧੪, ੨੫ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

uh Itar buttar, nobody cleverly changed anything you said it yourself that "it can go to hell" and since users want to edit with words you quickly remove them and use the reason that it is a Hindi word transliterated, even when I saw it being used in the punjabi newspaper and found results for it and even appeared in the dictionary, then you resort to calling me a non punjabi and you use that method to eventually silence me, if it does not work (like in the case of today) you start playing the blame game like what happened with me and Babanwalia, you know very well that I could also pull out a long list of links and quotes from your discussions that were wrong and uncivil. Even the users doubted your "pharma" and we even said to you nicely that sancha is better and since you loved to bring up the Hindi we told you to transliterated template but you still never listen and kept your false purity of a language that has borrowed most of its words from other languages. What you are doing does not make sense. --Zarienah ^{ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ • ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} ੧੩:੨੭, ੨੫ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

I was not the one who used "pharma" here, he was the admin, User:Guglani. And why use a non-Punjabi word when there is a Punjabi existing. Do it make a sense to kick out the Punjabi and add the non-Punjabi? What sensible you're doing by this? --itar buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੧੩:੪੩, ੨੫ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

I'll begin with the last point: Actually, I would be very happy if you would have conversations here in Punjabi and not in English. It's much more important that you would understand each other in your language than to help me to understand you.

As for needed qualifications: a university degree in Punjabi is not supposed to be required, of course, although it always helps. A dictionary is also not supposed to be needed for each and every word. But sometimes you will have doubts even with yourself, and you will also have arguments with other people. And when this happens, you need a way to be sure somehow and you won't be able to rely on your intuition and knowledge of the language.

I do have a degree in Hebrew language and I use dictionaries and grammar books all the time. Occasionally I also have arguments with other people who write in my language. When this happens, I am usually sure that I am right, and I can prove it using books. Simply saying "this is right" and "this is wrong" without proving your point using books is not very useful.

And even if you can prove yout point using books, it's still not useful to tell people to "learn the language", because it just creates nonconstructive antagonism.

Hope it helps. --132.64.44.49 ੧੩:੪੯, ੨੫ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

ਜਾਰੀ

oh IP user (Amir?), you've solved all the problems :-); just tell me how to show them the books? And by the way, I've a degree from Panjab University, Chandigarh and having an other from Punjabi University, Patiala. But how book....? --itar buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੧੩:੫੮, ੨੫ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

are they Qualifications in Punjabi language? --Zarienah ^{ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ • ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} ੧੪:੨੨, ੨੫ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

You said "why use English?", well itar buttar it seems ਟੈਮਪਲੇਟ is used in Punjabi, and that is the reason why we should use it. --Zarienah ^{ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ • ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} ੧੪:੨੭, ੨੫ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

where template it used in Punjabi and you keep reverting me if I'm just moving them back. Why "moving back" is okay only when you do it? Please don't do that as you better know the wiki way. Please don't create wars by a series of reverts and work in the wiki way. --itar buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੧੪:੪੫, ੨੫ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

you are policing others edits and this place has become your policing territory Again! Last time I told you this you started doing something constructive, but I guess you still can't resist policing and assuming bad faith on us. This Wikipedia is not your personal property or your policing zone. It is because of petty editors like you that this wikipedia's growth is being halted yet again, I came and updated the infoboxes on the websites and there you come with your cane to rule your way and your word down. Please stop your petty problems and get down to something constructive. --Zarienah ^{ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ • ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} ੧੫:੦੪, ੨੫ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

neither it's your personal properly. You're policing. And a little bit I started learning from you but when guests ask you to stop policing , I stopped following you. You're unconstructive. who halted the growth and who gave articles is clear from the our contributions. By the way the wiki way is to get a consensus , in case of a controversy. You denied the fundamental of wiki and boasting to be growth increaser! You're willingly doing all this. --itar buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੧੫:੧੧, ੨੫ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Please stop carrying forward an edit-war. See what Billinghurst says here above. I've protected the page.--Frigotoni ...i'm here; ੧੫:੧੮, ੨੫ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Sure, I must be neutral, but after several warnings and since an edit war occured today, I protected the page after talking with some stewards. I'll unprotect it if I see an improvment about it (from all users, I mean)--Frigotoni ...i'm here; ੧੫:੨੨, ੨੫ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Shall I protect this page too? Do you have a better solution? --Frigotoni ...i'm here; ੧੫:੨੪, ੨੫ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Itar buttar, you have no way of talking and have no right to throw away others valuable on contributions here, you were here before me and I learned all my bad habits from you until outsiders like Shijualex pointed your all your wrongs and then I stopped following your nonsense. So please you are warring like an immature then demanding neutrality, how hypocritical! --Zarienah ^{ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ • ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} ੧੫:੨੭, ੨੫ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

I'm not warring it's you all I learned from you. First you act childish then apologies, that your way what you did many times.

@Frigotoni please restore that article to previous/original version as a consensus must reach before the very first controversial change and until that the page remain in the original/first state. That's what I asked you. --itar buttar [ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ] ੧੫:੩੬, ੨੫ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Final Warning

Dear user, this is a final warning. If you continue to make disruptive edits, your account or IP address will be blocked. If you use your account only for vandalism, it may be blocked for an indefinite period of time. In less severe cases the block will be temporary. If you continue to vandalise Wikipedia after a block expires, a new block will be longer and can be imposed without further warning. --ਰਾਜੇਂਦਰਾ ਸਿੰਘ (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੧੫:੪੩, ੨੫ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

I would recommend that all users involved here, take a day's break, and come back tomorrow with a refreshed approach. Global sysops and stewards hesitate to get involved, though if the local community cannot manage its affairs civilly, then what choice do we have? Stop expecting 100% perfection, 100% of the time. Value everyone's considered efforts. Leave the baggage behind, look at the marvellous things that we can achieve, and tomorrow we can get to it. Billinghurst (ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ) ੧੬:੦੫, ੨੫ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

I prefer to do the break, peace out y'all and till tomorrow! --Zarienah ^{ਗੱਲ-ਬਾਤ • ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} ੧੬:੨੪, ੨੫ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

I unprotected the page. Remember that I've done it just because I'm not a community member, but, even though the local policy (where is it?) says different, whenever an edit-war begins, a local admin should protect it. But again, this is the final warning as Billinghurst told you, otherwise you might be blocked from editing Wikipedia. --Frigotoni ...i'm here; ੧੭:੦੩, ੨੫ ਨਵੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)