ਵਿਕੀਪੀਡੀਆ:ਸੱਥ/ਪੁਰਾਣੀ ਚਰਚਾ 2

Announcing Wikipedia 1.19 beta

Wikimedia Foundation is getting ready to push out 1.19 to all the WMF-hosted wikis. As we finish wrapping up our code review, you can test the new version right now on beta.wmflabs.org. For more information, please read the release notes or the start of the final announcement.

The following are the areas that you will probably be most interested in:

• Faster loading of javascript files makes dependency tracking more important.
• New common*.css files usable by skins instead of having to copy piles of generic styles from MonoBook or Vector's css.
• The default user signature now contains a talk link in addition to the user link.
• Searching blocked usernames in block log is now clearer.
• Better timezone recognition in user preferences.
• Improved diff readability for colorblind people.
• The interwiki links table can now be accessed also when the interwiki cache is used (used in the API and the Interwiki extension).
• More gender support (for instance in logs and user lists).
• Language converter improved, e.g. it now works depending on the page content language.
• Time and number-formatting magic words also now depend on the page content language.
• Bidirectional support further improved after 1.18.

Report any problems on the labs beta wiki and we'll work to address them before they software is released to the production wikis.

Note that this cluster does have SUL but it is not integrated with SUL in production, so you'll need to create another account. You should avoid using the same password as you use here. — Global message delivery ੧੬:੨੮, ੧੫ ਜਨਵਰੀ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

MediaWiki 1.19

(Apologies if this message isn't in your language.) The Wikimedia Foundation is planning to upgrade MediaWiki (the software powering this wiki) to its latest version this month. You can help to test it before it is enabled, to avoid disruption and breakage. More information is available in the full announcement. Thank you for your understanding.

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Better typing in Punjabi

Hello,

At http://www.translatewiki.net we have implemented three input methods for Punjabi - InScript, Phonetic and Transliteration.

I am especially curious about the Transliteration method. Can you please test it? It is similar to the way you type here now, but it's supposed to be more complete. Use M for bindi, NN for tippi and z for addak.

Can i please ask you to go to http://www.translatewiki.net , create an account, set your language in the preferences to Punjabi (pa) and test the keyboards?

Thank you very much! --Amir E. Aharoni ੧੪:੫੧, ੧੬ ਫ਼ਰਵਰੀ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Updates from India Program Team

This is the first post from the India Program team regarding the team. I have been posting updates on the various mailing lists - but am acutely aware that the majority of our community is on village pumps or project pages and hence this post. Do excuse me for posting something which is not solely focused on this project, but the work we are doing has learnings that you might find useful for your project. Here are 5 important links that you might find useful

• There is an India Program page on meta - which has links to a number of important workstreams (on the right of the page)
• Here is your India Program team. Feel free to reach out for any help or to provide any suggestion - or just to say hello!
• I submitted the following mid-year report to the community on January 15th 2011 - outlining the activities for 2011 and the priorities for 2012. Strictly speaking, this wasn't a mid-year report because it covered all of 2011, but going forward, I intend to make it a half-yearly affair. Please add your comments or suggestions here, or below this post.
• I have recently started monthly updates. The monthly update for February is available here. Please add your comments or suggestion here. The areas of emphasis for March are here. Please add your comments or here. This is really useful for us to ensure that we are doing what you need most.
• I have also started a new tab on the India Program page for Learnings, called Gyan. I think it is going to be a pretty cool place for us to put together a whole host of learnings, lessons, heartbreaks, Eureka moments and inspirations - gathered from all over the community. Stay tuned for more!
• One of the essential things that India Program needs to constantly work out is keeping our community informed of the work that we are doing - so that this work is clearer but also to help cross-pollinate ideas amongst a wider set of community members who might not have been engaged on specific village pump / talk page discussion or involved in particular activities (e.g. outreach events) or wikiprojects. I propose to have a fortnightly IRC for the community with India Program. (For those who are not familiar with IRC, it is an Internet messaging system similar to a regular chat room. It's very simple to use and you can join in by clicking on the following link. This would be done on the 1st and 3rd Thursdays of every month at 9pm IST (which is GMT + 0530) - THOUGH NOT THIS MONTH - BECAUSE I HAVE MISSED THE TIMELINE. Just for March, we will do it on March 15th and March 29th (both at 9pm IST which is GMT + 0530). I suggest that these chats are focused on specific work streams. As with many community meet-ups - folks will give time to attend a meet-up or participate in an IRC only if there is a topic of relevance to them. Therefore, we will do one IRC on Indic languages and one on Outreach & Communications. The March 15th one will be focused on Indic Languages and the one on March 29th will be on Outreach & Communications. (All IRCs will start with a re-cap of India Programs activities.) There is quite a bit of overlap on these topics - so feel free to join both. Please do also invite anyone who is interested to know more about India Program or - even more importantly - interact with fellow Wikimedians. As always, the logs will be put up on meta for the benefit of those who can't attend and for the record.

Please feel free to translate this post for the benefit of the larger audience. In fact, I'd be really grateful if you did!

Hisham (talk) ੦੩:੪੯, ੧੨ ਮਾਰਚ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Article requests

Is anyone interested in making an article in Punjabi on the following?

• en:Dalip Singh Saund (ਦਲੀਪ ਸਿੰਘ ਸਾਓਂਦ)

Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) ੧੮:੪੫, ੪ ਅਪਰੈਲ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

This wiki needs an acting administrator

Hello,

There are two administrators on this wiki: Sukh and Gman124.

Sukh made his last edit in 2007, so he's probably not active any more on this wiki.

Gman124 made his last edit in January 2012, which is not so long ago, but still - more administrator activity is needed. The MediaWiki software is updated more and more frequently lately, and every MediaWiki update requires changes in styles and scripts. If this is not done in time, important things don't work. Here are a few examples of current bugs that must be fixed by an administrator:

1. A script called MiniWikiAtlas is loaded from the file MediaWiki:Common.js. It is loaded incorrectly and insecurely.
2. The Gurmukhi typing solution is outdated - it lacks several letters, its code is very hard to maintain (see MediaWiki:Translitgur.js) and you can't turn it off. It should be replaced with a more modern and maintainable solution, like Narayam.
3. The search box has a button in the French language - "Recherche interne". It was probably copied from the French Wikipedia and not translated to neither English, nor Punjabi.
4. This wiki has some system messages that need maintainance.
5. Mistakes in the MediaWiki:Common.css file cause display problems.
6. The logo must be updated to the 2010 version.

Except these, there are many more problems already, and without a doubt, more problems will appear in the future.

Is there anybody who is interested in doing this? I shall gladly provide any technical help if you need any. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) ੧੬:੪੬, ੫ ਮਈ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Yes Sure. Please delegate the work.--Surinder.wadhawan (talk) ੦੫:੫੭, ੬ ਮਈ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

>>>The updated Wikipedia 2010 logo should be ready EOD.--Surinder.wadhawan (talk) ੦੬:੨੩, ੬ ਮਈ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Thank you, Surinder!

I don't have the permission to give you the rights. The Punjabi Wikipedia community is supposed to express its agreement here, and when it happens, we shall ask the stewards to give you the permissions. (The stewards are people who can give permissions to users on all wikis.) --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) ੦੭:੨੧, ੬ ਮਈ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

I present myself to be an active admin but for editing, files managing and relatings only. I know and can type the Gurmukhi in the best way; every sound, can correct every mistake. In short, you can call me, "master in Punjabi (Gurmukhi). Tari Buttar (talk) ੦੨:੦੭, ੩ ਜੂਨ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

I will be happy to work on the punjabi wiki as admin. Please see my work on English Wiki.  TOW  talk  ੧੪:੨੭, ੭ ਜੂਨ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Update on IPv6

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The Wikimedia Foundation is planning to do limited testing of IPv6 on June 2-3. If there are not too many problems, we may fully enable IPv6 on World IPv6 day (June 6), and keep it enabled.

What this means for your project:

• At least on June 2-3, 2012, you may see a small number of edits from IPv6 addresses, which are in the form "2001:0db8:85a3:0000:0000:8a2e:0370:7334". See e.g. w:en:IPv6 address. These addresses should behave like any other IP address: You can leave messages on their talk pages; you can track their contributions; you can block them. (See the full version of this announcement for notes on range blocks.)

• In the mid term, some user scripts and tools will need to be adapted for IPv6.

• We suspect that IPv6 usage is going to be very low initially, meaning that abuse should be manageable, and we will assist in the monitoring of the situation.

Read the full version of this announcement on how to test the behavior of IPv6 with various tools and how to leave bug reports, and to find a fuller analysis of the implications of the IPv6 migration.

--Erik Möller, VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation ੦੧:੧੭, ੨ ਜੂਨ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

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"ਕਮਿਊਨਟੀ ਪੋਰਟਲ"

I just realized that the name of this page, "ਕਮਿਊਨਟੀ ਪੋਰਟਲ" is just transliteration of the English words "Community portal" in Gurnukhi letters.

Isn't there a better Punjabi name for it? --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) ੧੯:੫੫, ੨ ਜੂਨ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

It would be ‘‘ਸੱਥ ਝਰੋਖਾ’’in my opinion or ‘‘ਸੱਥ ਦਰ’’--Guglani (talk) ੧੧:੩੧, ੨੬ ਜੁਲਾਈ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

If there are no objections, just move it to that name :) --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) ੧੬:੧੦, ੨੬ ਜੁਲਾਈ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

2011 Picture of the Year competition

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Dear Wikimedians,

Wikimedia Commons is happy to announce that the 2011 Picture of the Year competition is now open. We are interested in your opinion as to which images qualify to be the Picture of the Year 2011. Any user registered at Commons or a Wikimedia wiki SUL-related to Commons with more than 75 edits before 1 April 2012 (UTC) is welcome to vote and, of course everyone is welcome to view!

Detailed information about the contest can be found at the introductory page.

About 600 of the best of Wikimedia Common's photos, animations, movies and graphics were chosen –by the international Wikimedia Commons community– out of 12 million files during 2011 and are now called Featured Pictures.

From professional animal and plant shots to breathtaking panoramas and skylines, restorations of historically relevant images, images portraying the world's best architecture, maps, emblems, diagrams created with the most modern technology, and impressive human portraits, Commons Features Pictures of all flavors.

For your convenience, we have sorted the images into topic categories.

We regret that you receive this message in English; we intended to use banners to notify you in your native language but there was both, human and technical resistance.

See you on Commons! --Picture of the Year 2011 Committee ੧੮:੩੪, ੫ ਜੂਨ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

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Request for Adminship

I understand that this wiki needs active admins and I shall be happy to volunteer to do this. Please see my work on English Wiki.  TOW  talk  ੧੪:੨੯, ੭ ਜੂਨ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Presenting Chatasabha

Hi All,

This message is in English, sincere apologies for that.

New editors across Indic Wikipedias often face problems while editing for which need they help. However, most don't know where they can ask questions or get clarifications as they are usually unfamiliar with village pumps or mailing lists or even talk pages on basic editing. Many existing editors want to help new editors and could appreciate a central place where they can meet and help new editors. India Program has started a pilot to support the Odia community's help desk, Chatasabha. (Incidentally, "Chata" means student and "Sabha" means community, in Odia.) This pilot will build on the community's existing efforts - and seeks to provide a structured way of designing and running a Help Desk. It takes learnings from English Wikipedia's Tea House as well as other experiences on Help Desk and similar services.

The Help Desk that is being piloted is user friendly, has guidelines to provide simple answers to new editors and tries to manage the work load of existing community members by providing ready answers to frequently asked questions. The user friendliness of the Help Desk is in the form of being able to ask questions without getting stuck on Wiki markups as well as illustrated answers to some questions.

I have put a page on meta which has the pilot design. Eventually, we would like to help other Indic languages build similar Help Desks. Please do provide your feedback on the talk page.

-- Subha WMF (talk) ੦੪:੫੧, ੨੬ ਜੂਨ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC) (subhawikimedia.org)

Help decide about more than $10 million of Wikimedia donations in the coming year

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Hi,

As many of you are aware, the Wikimedia Board of Trustees recently initiated important changes in the way that money is being distributed within the Wikimedia movement. As part of this, a new community-led "Funds Dissemination Committee" (FDC) is currently being set up. Already in 2012-13, its recommendations will guide the decisions about the distribution of over 10 million US dollars among the Foundation, chapters and other eligible entities.

Now, seven capable, knowledgeable and trustworthy community members are sought to volunteer on the initial Funds Dissemination Committee. It is expected to take up its work in September. In addition, a community member is sought to be the Ombudsperson for the FDC process. If you are interested in joining the committee, read the call for volunteers. Nominations are planned to close on August 15.

--Anasuya Sengupta, Director of Global Learning and Grantmaking, Wikimedia Foundation ੨੦:੧੯, ੧੯ ਜੁਲਾਈ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

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Proposed administrators

Hello,

Currently there are two admins in this Wikipedia, but neither of them are active in the last few months. This wiki needs active administrators to edit system messages, delete spam, protect pages from vadalism, and also to act as organizers who maintain content policy and help other editors.

After a few weeks of discussions, I am glad to propose several users to be sysops in this Wikipedia.

If you have any comments about these users, please write them in the respective sections. You can write comments in Punjabi, but the decision to appoint people for adminship will be made by stewards who don't know Punjabi, so please indicate in English whether you support the person or not.

Thank you! --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) ੧੧:੫੮, ੨੩ ਜੁਲਾਈ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Proposed administrator: Guglani

• User page: User:Guglani
• Number of edits: 968

Guglani is one of the most active and experienced users on this Wikipedia and I am sure that he will make good use of the permissions.

• I support this user for adminship. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) ੧੧:੫੮, ੨੩ ਜੁਲਾਈ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)
• Support. --Shijualex (talk) ੧੪:੧੯, ੨੪ ਜੁਲਾਈ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)
• I support --Psubhashish (talk) ੧੧:੪੧, ੨੭ ਜੁਲਾਈ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Done for 3 months to expire on 30/10/2012. --MarcoAurelio (talk) ੧੩:੨੦, ੩੦ ਜੁਲਾਈ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Proposed administrator: Surinder.wadhawan

• User page: User:Surinder.wadhawan
• Number of edits: 20

The number of Surinder's edits in this Wikipedia may seem small, but he is an avid supporter of Wikipedia, who participated in Wikipedia-related events in Mumbai and Pune and helped testing software for Punjabi support. Surinder's understanding of the software and of Wikipedia's principles will make him a good admin.

• I support this user for adminship. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) ੧੧:੫੮, ੨੩ ਜੁਲਾਈ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Thank you for the nomination/support Amir! Surinder.wadhawan (talk) ੧੪:੩੭, ੨੩ ਜੁਲਾਈ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

• I support --Psubhashish (talk) ੧੧:੪੧, ੨੭ ਜੁਲਾਈ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Done for 3 months to expire on 30/10/2012. --MarcoAurelio (talk) ੧੩:੨੦, ੩੦ ਜੁਲਾਈ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Proposed administrator: TariButtar

• User page: User:TariButtar
• Number of edits in Punjabi: 254
• Number of edits in English: over 3,000

TariButtar is an experienced Wikipedia user who knows Punjabi well. He proposed himself for adminship here: User:Gman124#Request_for_adminship.

• I support this user for adminship. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) ੧੧:੫੮, ੨੩ ਜੁਲਾਈ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)
• I support --Psubhashish (talk) ੧੧:੪੧, ੨੭ ਜੁਲਾਈ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Done for 3 months to expire on 30/10/2012. --MarcoAurelio (talk) ੧੩:੨੦, ੩੦ ਜੁਲਾਈ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Proposed administrator: Tow

• User page: User:Tow
• Number of edits in English: over 3,500

Tow has little experience in the Punjabi Wikipedia, but he is an experienced editor and rollbacker in the English Wikipedia.

• I support this user for adminship. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) ੧੧:੫੮, ੨੩ ਜੁਲਾਈ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)
• I support --Psubhashish (talk) ੧੧:੪੧, ੨੭ ਜੁਲਾਈ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Done for 3 months to expire on 30/10/2012. --MarcoAurelio (talk) ੧੩:੨੦, ੩੦ ਜੁਲਾਈ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

GLAM Crafts Museum blog post

Dear all, Here's a blog post cum report on India's first GLAM initiative at the National Crafts Museum! The program started out in English but was taken forward in Hindi to suit the staff members who have been enthusiastically creating articles and editing in Hindi Wikipedia! The program has been a bold step to prove that GLAM can very well happen in India - with its own design and structure and it has also given the Hindi community a precious gift of 6 new editors.

A special thanks to User: Roboture who has been with us in each and every meet and helped train editors, User:Yann for his first set of invaluable Commons contributions and to User:Aniruddhajnu and User:Siddhartha Ghai for coming down to the museum to inspire the staff members.

Hope this gives more courage to any community that wants to start a similar project! Would love to provide any help needed. Noopur28 (talk) ੦੬:੩੨, ੨੫ ਜੁਲਾਈ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Input tool extension deployed

Hello,

Input tool extension Narayam is deployed in this wiki. But the local javascript based typing tool need to be removed immediately. I request anybody with required rights take care of this as soon as possible। --Santhosh.thottingal (talk) ੦੮:੫੦, ੨੬ ਜੁਲਾਈ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

This was fixed by User:Wikitanvir. Thank you, Tanvir!

Thanks go out also to Santhosh and Junaid for developing Narayam, to Niklas for deploying it, and to Guglani, Surinder Wadhawan and everybody else who tested it in Gurmukhi! --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) ੧੬:੦੬, ੨੬ ਜੁਲਾਈ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Problem with ੯

Hello, when we type gurmukhi digit(9) ੯ 3space characters have to be keyed in to type next character otherwise an overlap occurs see e.g ੯ਪੇਰੇ or ੯੯੯੯ or ੨੦੦੯ਸਾਲ ੯੯੯ ੯੯ . Thus you will see on typing character ੯ cursor should blink after ੯ but it blinks before ੯ । please rectify this bug .This problem is long outstanding while typing gurmukhi digit ੯ .--Guglani (talk) ੧੧:੨੪, ੨੬ ਜੁਲਾਈ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Hi Guglani,

A few questions:

1. Does it still happen now with Narayam installed?
2. Do you have WebFonts enabled?
3. Which operating system and web browser do you use? --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) ੧੬:੦੬, ੨੬ ਜੁਲਾਈ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Hi Amir,

1. Yes It happens with Narayam installed as well.
2. Please elaborate meaning of Web Fonts enabled, I do not understand it.
3. I am using Windows 7 and Mozilla Fire Fox browser--Guglani (talk) ੧੧:੪੬, ੧ ਅਗਸਤ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

At the top of the screen there is a button that says "Select font". When you press it, you are supposed to see three options: "Lohit Punjabi", "Saab" and "Reset". Which option is selected? --ਅਮੀਰ ਏਲਿਸ਼ਾ ਅਹਰੋਨਿ / Amir E. Aharoni (talk) ੧੧:੪੯, ੧ ਅਗਸਤ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

"Lohit Punjabi" is selected in radio button--Guglani (talk) ੧੧:੫੮, ੧ ਅਗਸਤ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

What happens if you try to go there and press "Reset"? Does it look better? --ਅਮੀਰ ਏਲਿਸ਼ਾ ਅਹਰੋਨਿ / Amir E. Aharoni (talk) ੧੨:੦੨, ੧ ਅਗਸਤ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

what is procedure for pressing "Reset"--Guglani (talk) ੧੨:੧੦, ੧ ਅਗਸਤ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Go to the link at the top that says "Select font" and select "Reset" in the box that will open. --ਅਮੀਰ ਏਲਿਸ਼ਾ ਅਹਰੋਨਿ / Amir E. Aharoni (talk) ੧੨:੪੫, ੧ ਅਗਸਤ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Can you please send me a screenshot of this problem? Here's a tool that will help you make screenshots: http://awesomescreenshot.com/ . --ਅਮੀਰ ਏਲਿਸ਼ਾ ਅਹਰੋਨਿ / Amir E. Aharoni (talk) ੧੬:੧੯, ੧ ਅਗਸਤ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

with reset problem is not solved and screen shot is given in link resource://jid0-gxjllfbcoax0lcltedfrekqdqpi-at-jetpack/as-ff/data/edit.html--Guglani (talk) ੦੭:੪੬, ੨ ਅਗਸਤ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

This address will only work on your computer. To make a public screenshot, do the following:

• Press the screenshot button.
• Press "Done" at the top of the screen.
• Press "Temporarily" under "Save online" on the right.
• Press "Save".
• After a few seconds a little text box with "Image link" will appear. It will have a link that looks like this: http://awesomescreenshot.com/0e9c3e9d7 . Please copy this link here.

Thank you! --ਅਮੀਰ ਏਲਿਸ਼ਾ ਅਹਰੋਨਿ / Amir E. Aharoni (talk) ੦੮:੦੧, ੨ ਅਗਸਤ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Here is another screen shot

Thank you very much! We'll check it. --ਅਮੀਰ ਏਲਿਸ਼ਾ ਅਹਰੋਨਿ / Amir E. Aharoni (talk) ੦੮:੦੯, ੨ ਅਗਸਤ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

Hello, do you see the same problem in if you use the Saab font from the menu? Does the same problem also occur across browsers, across Windows editions? I am not able to reproduce the same in Ubuntu. If using Saab font fixes the issues, we can consider changing the default font. Thank you! Srikanth WMF (talk) ੧੩:੧੪, ੨ ਅਗਸਤ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)

This problem does not occur with Saab font. Thank you--Guglani (talk) ੦੫:੫੦, ੩ ਅਗਸਤ ੨੦੧੨ (UTC)